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#16 meanders

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 04:20 PM

There is an article in the Sept Trailer Life about Honda generators.
In brief they say you need 2 to run an AC
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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:56 PM

You can use an EU1000 with a Casita if it has the AC by the door.

The EU1000 is much lighter than the 2000 (26lbs vs 55lbs).
Fuel consumption is more efficient. BUT you will have to do some
modifications to use the 1000. I replaced the front mount AC with a
5000 btu unit with EER of 10.7 which cools the trailer ok.
Also installed a switch on the power converter to turn if off when using the generator. It draws ~100 watts, and the AC has more difficulty starting with it on. Also run the fridge on propane.

An AC with electronic controls solves the problem of killing the generator when the compressor cycles back on. It has a built in time delay for the pressure to bleed down.

If the outside temp is over 98^, park in the shade or rig a "tent fly" over the trailer to keep the direct sun from it. You will need an 8000 btu AC or better in direct sun to maintain 75^ inside.

I usually park without hookups, and want to sleep inside and cool. Daytime I'm outside or somewhere else working, so the deficient daytime cooling isn't a big thing. Occasions when I was parked in direct sun, when it's 100^ outside, 85^ inside seems really cool.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 11:05 AM

I got to use my generator for the first time last week, it's a 5550 watt Briggs & Stratton and i have to say it ran everything in the Casita..ac/lights/tv/radio....we had 100+ temps in St Louis & of course we lost power again & this time i was ready.. it kept us really cool...it's not one you'd take with you on a trip tho!

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Posted 22 August 2007 - 09:16 AM

Cathy - is your B&S generator campground quiet friendly or one that would make you very unpopular with the neighbors? I was not aware of any 5500 watt generator that was available in a quiet configuration. If it is quiet would you share some of the specifications with us? Particularly the db rating.
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Posted 22 August 2007 - 10:37 AM

Don, no it's not quiet at all! it's one i bought for emergencies only..no you couldnt bring it with you it must weigh 150 lbs...however it's great to run in power outages which i seem to have frequently.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 12:48 AM

I too was expecting to buy a Honda eu2000 after I pick up my new Casita in early November. Part of my grand plan was to be able to camp in Florida even during the summer, because I could have AC with the generator.

It is hard to beat empirical tests like Don did, assuming that there is nothing atypical about his Honda eu2000 or his AC unit. However, the information is not quite adequate for me to know what to do.

There is quite a difference between 88 deg F and 99 or 100 F. Even here in FL we don't see those latter high temperatures for more than an hour or so, and on most days that would be a record high.

Thus, to me the real question is will the Honda eu2000 run the AC well with temperature at around 95 deg? I can deal with a couple of hours in which I may have to turn the AC off for more than 5 min and restart it, because the temperature is so high outside.

Also, under the latter extreme conditions couldn't one crack a window or roof vent, and just let the AC run constantly (without needing to cycle and restart), just to get through those couple of hours of highest temperatures?

Don is fortunate to already own the Yamaha 2500 and the Honda 2000, and I can see why he would take the Yamaha when he camps in his Casita. However, I would like to be able to avoid the extra weight and cost of the larger unit. Thus any tests at temperatures around 95 deg F would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 08:15 AM

A/C operating pressures and thus compressor load, increase with humidity as well as temperature. Therefore operation under those conditions creates an even heavier load on the generator. Opening a window only works both units all the harder. Personally I prefer having just a little extra power for just such situations. I tried a Honda 2000 but ended up with a Yamaha 2400is. Glad I did. It weighs 70 lbs.

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 03:55 AM

QUOTE (redwards @ Aug 23 2007, 03:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I too was expecting to buy a Honda eu2000 after I pick up my new Casita in early November. Part of my grand plan was to be able to camp in Florida even during the summer, because I could have AC with the generator.

It is hard to beat empirical tests like Don did, assuming that there is nothing atypical about his Honda eu2000 or his AC unit. However, the information is not quite adequate for me to know what to do.

Unless you just must - don't give up yet. Leaving for Houston in a few minutes to visit with son-in-law who is a professional in the Refridgeration and Air Conditioning field. He is going to examine the a/c unit, review the specs for both the a/c and generator, discuss options and we will see what the next steps will be. More on this in the next very few days. Don
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 02:01 PM

redwards - here is my 'final word' on this topic - hope it helps in your decision.

Earlier, I stated my disappointment in the failure of a Honda EU2000is to consistently start and restart the air conditioner on my 07C17SD. Many replies were made that “Have used my Honda 2000 for 99 years and it always starts my A/C in both the Sahara desert and at the top of Pikes Peak” (or words to that effect). I called in some resources, got some test equipment and spent a little time to learn a lot.

A summary of photos and narrative of the testing along with a statement of my opinions have been made and are available at the links shown below.

Narrative may be viewed at:

PDF FILE
http://tinyurl.com/35m8jl

TEXT FILE
http://tinyurl.com/2n4rxm

Photos may be viewed at:
http://tinyurl.com/2bgjq4

Don – enjoy your fall travels
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 02:12 PM

The text file links are not working for me.

Very nice testing job as evident by the photos. 40 amps on restart! Zoweee!! It would be interesting if other people could check theirs as you did to see if the 40 is normal, or high, explaining the problem with the Honda.

Will be interested in reading your conclusions.

Edited by Patrick M., 31 August 2007 - 02:13 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2007 - 08:54 PM

Sorry, here are some good links....

Placed a copy of the narrative with the photos at:
http://tinyurl.com/2bgjq4
(2 pages - click link at bottom of page)

If you need a larger image of the narrative pages you can use these individual page links (click on the images to improve the text quality).
Page 1
http://tinyurl.com/2gg39x
Page 2
http://tinyurl.com/23zc56
Page 3
http://tinyurl.com/ytsnch
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http://tinyurl.com/2zhzup
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http://tinyurl.com/27n4ll
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 02:40 AM

Don, very good report ! Was your final conclusion that with the soft start kit the Honda could always restart the AC ?

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE (mountainborn @ Sep 1 2007, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was your final conclusion that with the soft start kit the Honda could always restart the AC ?

At 60 ft altitude, 94 degree temperature, ECO mode off, no other major electrical load, soft/hard start kit installed, the Honda started and restarted the generator for a period of one hour. Did not record the number of restarts but it was in excess of 5. So, under those conditions, the answer is yes. Don
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 03:09 PM

great report, thank you.

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 03:06 PM

I tested the air conditioner in my new 2007 Casita today, using my two year-old Honda 2000i. Temperature was 98F.

It performed perfectly. I left the Honda on Eco mode, turned the A/C on to low and it started right up. Ran it for 20 minutes, then turned the temp up so the compressor would go off, waited 5 minutes and turned it back down and the compressor started immediately. Ran for 5 minutes. Repeated this procedure one more time.

I think based on my experience, and those of other Casita owners I've read in posts, that there can be a high level of confidence that the Honda 2000i will run the Casita air conditioner in a satisfactory manner.
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