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#1 Louise

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 02:54 PM

Hi all,
We just replaced the deep cycle battery with a gel 12V battery on our 13' Patriot. It works, the lights come on, fan works, etc., BUT there is a "ping ping" sound from the fuse/converter box. Anybody know what that means?
We feel like we've heard this ping ping sound before when we've plugged into more amps than we need. Feeling uneasy!
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#2 Wally Z

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:37 PM

Don't know about the "ping ping" noise, but you may want to look into upgrading to a smart charger. There is a kit available to do this.  Little House Customs sells a nice one that is essentially plug and play. I just installed one on my converter after purchasing an AGM battery. I have heard, and read that multi-stage converters are best for GEL and AGM batteries. Max. charging voltages are critical with these type batteries.

I'm thinking the ping ping noise you are hearing may be a relay switching on and off or maybe heat sinks heating up and cooling off rapidly. As far as I know there aren't any audio alarms on the standard converter.

Read the instructions and specs. on the battery and see if they tell you anything about charging.

 

I would recommend getting the smart charger upgrade kit with gel and agm batteries. Like most I installed the AGM battery for the less maintenance aspect. Having the smart charger upgrade means less monitoring, maintenance, and peace of mind.  Will dramatically improve the life of the battery as well.

 

http://littlehousecu...store.html#elec

 

Scroll down on page to the,

PROGRESSIVE DYNAMICS 4635 CONVERTER UPGRADE/REPLACEMENT LOWER UNIT


Edited by Wally Z, 16 September 2016 - 03:50 PM.

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#3 LHCAZ

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Posted 17 September 2016 - 05:56 AM

I just "fixed" a local guys trailer that was having weird problems and a "boing" coming from the converter/charger. Turned out that the new battery had been installed backwards. The old style converter/charger didn't have the 30 amp fuses the new ones have so it just kept saying it was Very unhappy. Switched the wires and all was good.

Black = Positive +, White/Green = Negative -.

And yes, a trailer that old could really benefit from a converter/charger update.


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#4 Louise

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Posted 17 September 2016 - 09:05 AM

Konrad, are you saying that because we have a new AGM battery that we automatically need to switch the converter to a 30 amp on our 1998 Casita? If we don't, then what?
Sorry, but I am not an electrical engineer, nor is my husband, so we really need it spelled out for us.
Thanks,
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Posted 17 September 2016 - 09:52 AM

UPDATE: This morning after having had the Casita on electrical current all night, we unplugged and listened for the "pinging" sound,but it seems to have stopped, perhaps only temporarily. Everything now is running off the battery, including the frig and hood fan now working off battery. Lights are nice and bright! Have no idea why this is happening and won't know for how long it will stay this way. Any ideas out there?
If we only need a voltage meter, instead of a whole new converter, to keep on top of the battery levels, which type of meter would you recommend? Shouldn't it be one that remains in place all the time?
Thanks for any help,
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Posted 17 September 2016 - 03:07 PM

Hello Louise, I recently put an interstate gel battery in my patriot deluxe. The guy at interstate did the install and said those chargers are not necessary as long as you plug in the ac every 3 or 4 months. I would have it checked out if the ping pong sound comes back. I hope this information was helpful.

 

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Posted 17 September 2016 - 04:29 PM

Dan, thanks for your comments on your battery. did the interstate guy install the wires the way Konrad suggests? We have put the white grounding wire onto the negative post and the blue & white wires onto the positive. It's a daunting idea to reverse it the way Konrad suggests. I don't know how old your 13' Patriot is, but ours is an older model (1998).
Right now, we're back to scratch because the battery stopped working during the day today. We were testing it to see how long it would go. I don't think the charge is going through the converter properly, but what do I know!!!!!
We may end up putting our old deep cycle battery back in for this trip. We had hoped to use the new AGM because supposedly it would last longer each day without a recharge.
Or we may have to call in the RV guys and spend a little more money.
thanks all,
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Posted 17 September 2016 - 10:48 PM

Dan, thanks for your comments on your battery. did the interstate guy install the wires the way Konrad suggests? We have put the white grounding wire onto the negative post and the blue & white wires onto the positive. It's a daunting idea to reverse it the way Konrad suggests. 

 

 

 Go look at your battery wire colors..... If the blue one is actually green then that is also a ground wire.....

   Use caution here with my recommendation because if it is a blue wire then leave it alone as it's probably some add on item.

Double check with Konrad if unsure...... He knows his stuff


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Posted 18 September 2016 - 04:00 PM

Louise, my patriot is a 2015. Sorry i have it put away and can't look at the battery. If you are loosing charge that fast on a new gel battery I would have it looked at by an RV specialist. I would also recommend purchasing a generator. The honda eu2000 runs about $1000.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:23 AM

In your first post you said you had a Gel battery. In post #7 you say you have an AGM battery. Which is it?  Sounds like Konrad may be right on you having battery wired in reverse. Doesn't sound like it's being charged either. Do you have anyone near you that knows basic electrical? A friend, neighbor, or family member? They could check the wires going to the battery with a multimeter to determine which wire/color is positive and negative.


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#11 Louise

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 01:47 PM

Just to update you on my ignorance and stupidity level: the battery is in fact an AGM (I really didn't know there was a difference between AGM and gel).
And it also seems that the god/goddess of batteries has descended upon us. After the battery died, mainly because I was trying it out with the frig, we recharged it overnight and now the battery is up and running the lights & fans. That's all we really use it for. Put the frig on propane while dry camping, only run it off battery when the trailer is attached to the car.
Amazingly, there is no longer a pinging sound coming from the converter!!!! Where it went, we have no idea. Perhaps the battery and converter have become friendly to one another! That, obviously, is an indication of my electrical knowledge!!!
Thanks to all who have tried to help.
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 03:24 PM

Great Story....Glad the hear it Worked out like that....

  As you found out 12v DC easts up battery supply really fast.

    I've owned quite a few RV's over the years and never once did i try any of them on DC Power,even while towing.

It can be done but you need adequate wire gauge

Propane, Very cheap to run and very efficient


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:56 PM

Great Story....Glad the hear it Worked out like that....

  As you found out 12v DC easts up battery supply really fast.

    I've owned quite a few RV's over the years and never once did i try any of them on DC Power,even while towing.

It can be done but you need adequate wire gauge

Propane, Very cheap to run and very efficient

Joe is talking about the refrigerator on 12vdc eats up the battery fast. The lights, not so much. 


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