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#1 Dick & Kim Smith

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:07 AM

All the forum chatter has convinced me that I need load range D tires on my 2000 FD 17. I don't want to get into the hassles and expense of 15" wheels so I'm stuck with what is available in 14". It appeared that forum posters preferred the Maxxis tires with another significant group going for the Kumhos. There are scattered other opinions also but I concentrated on these two.

It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire, it has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.

Kumho offers two choices. The Radial 857 195R14C gives me a 2094 max load and the Radial 857 205R14C 2271 lbs. The only disadvantages of the 205 are $7 higher cost and 1" larger diameter (27") than the tire currently on the trailer. But I believe some are running 27" tires without a problem.

I'm leaning to the Kumho Radial 857 205R14C. Would anyone like to express any opinions about my choice? I know it is difficult to pry opinions out of people on this forum, but I thought I'd give it a shot. wink.gif

See attached summary of my research.

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Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 01 April 2010 - 10:19 AM.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:50 AM

We are in the third year of running the Kumho 205-R14-C's on our 2007 SD with no problems, no issues. I'll replace them with another set when the time comes.

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#3 Dick & Kim Smith

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE (Jim A @ Apr 1 2010, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are in the third year of running the Kumho 205-R14-C's on our 2007 SD with no problems, no issues. I'll replace them with another set when the time comes.

Jim



Are you using the stock Casita wheels? What pressure do you run in the tires? I assume the 27" diameter clearance was OK?

Thanks,
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Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 01 April 2010 - 07:51 AM.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire is has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.


Hmm..the data I have for the Maxxis UE-168N 205R14C, service description 109Q, part number TL12458000, indicates a max load of 2,271 lbs. I obtained this information from the Maxxis web site.

Edited by thetravelkids, 01 April 2010 - 08:16 AM.

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#5 Dick & Kim Smith

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (thetravelkids @ Apr 1 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire is has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.


Hmm..the data I have for the Maxxis UE-168N 205R14C, service description 109Q, part number TL12458000, indicates a max load of 2,271 lbs. I obtained this information from the Maxxis web site.


You are exactly right Bob. The 205R14 (TL12458000) has a 2271 rating. But that tire has been discontinued and I can't find any.

The only Maxxis I can find is the 205/70R14 (TL12468000) which only has a 1874 rating. That's the reason I'm looking at the Kumhos.

Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 01 April 2010 - 08:27 AM.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (thetravelkids @ Apr 1 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire is has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.


Hmm..the data I have for the Maxxis UE-168N 205R14C, service description 109Q, part number TL12458000, indicates a max load of 2,271 lbs. I obtained this information from the Maxxis web site.


You are exactly right Bob. The 205R14 (TL12458000) has a 2271 rating. But that tire has been discontinued and I can't find any.

The only Maxxis I can find is the 205/70R14 (TL12468000) which only has a 1874 rating. That's the reason I'm looking at the Kumhos.


Agghhh! Didn't know those tires were discontinued!!
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 09:04 AM

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I went with the Khumo 195's but would have gone with the 205's if my tire was centered in the wheel well better. The picture is with the stock tires. I had 2 blowouts within several thousand miles.
Since then, 20,000 miles and absolutely no issues. Even holds the air better at 62 psi.
Left picture is at rear of tire and right picture is front. Not really centered, huh. I think it swings rearward, though.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (Chris Z @ Apr 1 2010, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I went with the Khumo 195's but would have gone with the 205's if my tire was centered in the wheel well better. The picture is with the stock tires. I had 2 blowouts within several thousand miles.
Since then, 20,000 miles and absolutely no issues. Even holds the air better at 62 psi.


Thanks Chris for reminding me to check that. I saw it mentioned in another post but have never bothered to drive out to the trailer storage site to check it out.

Clearance update: I just checked and I have 1.5" in front, 3" at the back and at least 3-4" on top.

Price update: I just checked some local stores; two can order the 205's for $150-160 delivered. That makes Tire Rack's price pretty good. One of the stores even told me why the size number is so strange, missing the 70, 75, etc. It is an odd size (82) that does not fit into anyones categories so they just leave it out.

Another consideration that I forgot to mention is that the country of origin for the 195's is shown as Korea while the 205's show China. If true is that a reason to avoid the 205's?

Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 05 April 2010 - 06:10 AM.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (thetravelkids @ Apr 1 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire is has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.


Hmm..the data I have for the Maxxis UE-168N 205R14C, service description 109Q, part number TL12458000, indicates a max load of 2,271 lbs. I obtained this information from the Maxxis web site.


You are exactly right Bob. The 205R14 (TL12458000) has a 2271 rating. But that tire has been discontinued and I can't find any.

The only Maxxis I can find is the 205/70R14 (TL12468000) which only has a 1874 rating. That's the reason I'm looking at the Kumhos.


Dick That tire is now a trailer tire and the word I got it is the exact same tire as the old TL12458 which was a commercial pickup or van tire then they changed the product number by adding 000 to the end and made a trailer tire out of it. Now supposedly the same tire comes up listed as a trailer tire with the number Maxxis M8008 with the same specs and the product number is TL-12460000. Go to your Gripson site here and you will find it. The 5th tire down http://www.gripston....rch?q=205/75/14

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Bill & Karen @ Apr 1 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (thetravelkids @ Apr 1 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Dick & Kim Smith @ Apr 1 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like the only Maxxis available is the UE-168 Bravo 205/70R14C. But even though a D tire is has a max load of only 1874. While an improvement over the C max load of 1760, I'd like to have more of a safety margin.


Hmm..the data I have for the Maxxis UE-168N 205R14C, service description 109Q, part number TL12458000, indicates a max load of 2,271 lbs. I obtained this information from the Maxxis web site.


You are exactly right Bob. The 205R14 (TL12458000) has a 2271 rating. But that tire has been discontinued and I can't find any.

The only Maxxis I can find is the 205/70R14 (TL12468000) which only has a 1874 rating. That's the reason I'm looking at the Kumhos.


Dick That tire is now a trailer tire and the word I got it is the exact same tire as the old TL12458 which was a commercial pickup or van tire then they changed the product number by adding 000 to the end and made a trailer tire out of it. Now supposedly the same tire comes up listed as a trailer tire with the number Maxxis M8008 with the same specs and the product number is TL-12460000. Go to your Gripson site here and you will find it. The 5th tire down http://www.gripston....rch?q=205/75/14


I believe you but when I look at the 14" 205 it shows as a load range C 6 ply. Am I missing something here?
http://www.maxxis.co...-ST-Radial.aspx

Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 02 April 2010 - 03:51 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 09:38 AM

Dick, 2 years ago we went through all this on the Casita Forum. Telephone call were made by numerous people and the skinny was this. The "C" in both the Kuhmo and Maxxis stands for Commercial as these tires were mainly sold in Europe and Asia where trucks and vans are still running 14" tires on those vehicles, as you know 13 and 14" tires in the USA went out in the early 90's. All this has been verified on the forums, you might find them by doing a search.
How ever, looking at the chart you provided it looks like a whole new tire now.

Bill

Edited by Bill & Karen, 02 April 2010 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Bill & Karen @ Apr 2 2010, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dick, 2 years ago we went through all this on the Casita Forum. Telephone call were made by numerous people and the skinny was this. The "C" in both the Kuhmo and Maxxis stands for Commercial as these tires were mainly sold in Europe and Asia where trucks and vans are still running 14" tires on those vehicles, as you know 13 and 14" tires in the USA went out in the early 90's. All this has been verified on the forums, you might find them by doing a search.
How ever, looking at the chart you provided it looks like a whole new tire now.

Bill


Bill, I tried to read most of the posts on both forums. I remember the discussion of the "C" designation as being a commercial rating not a C load range designation. But I found a lot of the discussion about the D tires dated and I'm trying to make a decision based on what is available now. That is the reason for opening the topic again. I'm not trying to lessen the value of anyone's research or opinions; I'm just trying to make a decision based on the current options. It appears there are fewer viable 14" options now than in the past. I'm hoping someone knows about more than I have found. At this point I think I have to choose between the 195 and 205 Kumhos. I'll need to make a decision soon because I'm leaving on a 5000 mile trip later this month. I don't trust the old Trailer King C tires to survive that.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 10:36 AM

Dick

Been going thru the same exercise you have. Tired (pun intended) of blowouts. Found your research well done and also am contemplating the same choice you are. I am very curious about your final decision between the Kumho 195 and 205. I also would like the extra margin of safety of the 205, but am nervous about the 205 diameter.

Would appreciate if you posted what you decided.

Have a pleasant and safe journey.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE (Jim B @ Apr 10 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dick

Been going thru the same exercise you have. Tired (pun intended) of blowouts. Found your research well done and also am contemplating the same choice you are. I am very curious about your final decision between the Kumho 195 and 205. I also would like the extra margin of safety of the 205, but am nervous about the 205 diameter.

Would appreciate if you posted what you decided.

Have a pleasant and safe journey.

Jim B.


I bought 3 Kumho Radial 857 195R14Cs from Tire Rack for $315.38 delivered. It took only two days to receive them. I decided, based on some of the feedback in this thread that I might be pushing the clearance with the 205's. As I said earlier, based on where my axle is mounted, I only have 1 1/2" to work with; the 205's would leave only 1". It would probably work but the clearance just made me nervous.

I'll let you know how they fit on the trailer and how they perform on my upcoming trip.

Edited by Dick & Kim Smith, 10 April 2010 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:00 AM

Thanks

I probably will do the same for the reason you mentioned.


Good luck.

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